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 Post subject: Avenger.....
PostPosted: Tue 10 Apr 2012 12:56 AM 
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OK, fellas.... I've wrested a guitar off Don - this makes twice I've met him, and twice I've bought guitars from him; he's an expensive bastid to know!! - and have immediately torn it down.... As you do!

Now this is the 315 in the 84 catalogue, so is a little bit of an unknown so let's crack on, shall we....

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Headstock; I believe that red swoopy line to be hand finished, and here's why I believe that....

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.... That blob at the end is aged, like the rest so is original, or as close to original as makes no odds.

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...or perhaps the machine cocked it up?

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I further believe that the fingerboard is stained/ tinted... These gouges are around the cowboy chords only...

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... Serial starts with a letter

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... Does anyone recognise that logo?

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...no MMK markings.

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...Gotoh marked machine heads, which all feel OK.

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... Bridge is an odd one, but seems OK, too. Westone 6mm bar fits it.

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... Which is the original knob? I'm almost certain the notched one, but I think I'll pop Westone tapered knobs on!

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... And lastly, someone's had a crack at the pickup wiring!

The body is in good nick with minimal buckle rash etc., but the colour is either badly faded, or matte black from the start: anyone care to hazard a guess?! The back of the neck is gloss black, but that just might be many sweaty hands.... :D

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PostPosted: Tue 10 Apr 2012 02:53 AM 
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Ya broked it ya great doof :D
On the up side I now know what it looks like on the inside :o
I think that it is a matt black finish (matt get it) :lol:

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No clue on the pup cover logo John. Seems to be a stylilized version of the ohms character.

Bridge seemss good for it's age and amount of playing, post recess edges not bad at all. Looks to be a definite improvement over the Tekglide I have on my x189.

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...Seems to be a stylilized version of the ohms character..
+1 My thought as well. Makes sense, sort of, in a geeky kinda way. :roll:
I'd venture to go a bit further and suggest that solid red triangle above the Ohm symbol is meant to represent "Delta" for "Change". So, putting it together could mean a "change in the standard Ohms reading" found in a normal Avenger (MMK45). Lower? Higher? But the humbucker has definitely been diddled with on top of any possible factory spec change; a very sloppy re-assembly.

The question though is, what was done to it? And how she sound now?

I'm guessing the original finish is a Mats matt. The pick guard seems to support that too.

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Good on you, guys; keep it coming! My thoughts on the logo was that it was the Greek letter Omega, and given that Matsumoku had a guitar called the Omega - by Electra - sort-of thought along those lines..... :roll:

I've been giving the old Google a fair hammering to see if I can find something but no luck yet... I reckon it is an in-house design by perhaps Maxon or,indeed, Matsumoku itself.

I'd love to know how the bridge came about given that Matsumoku had access to all kinds of trem bridges, their own designs; the Bendmasters from Westone and the APII ACT series amongst others, and the likes of the used on the PEs....

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I started calling those pups the Omega's also... all my later Vantage have them...I beleive them to be suped up Gotoh pups for the new matt Graphite series that came out end of '84 to become the main series for 85-86.. They sound good :up:

Thanks for the detailed pics... Can you give us some of the body ?...

It seems that Vantage was doing its own hardware... even the headless bass has a different bridge then the Westone one... For so little models using this type of bridge, one would think they would use the same one... :toopid:

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Nope. I prefer my interpretation. Image

From Wikipedia, the source of all the world's knowledge: :roll:
Δ the difference or change in a given variable
Ω the SI unit measure of electric resistance, the ohm

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I was all over the Gotoh site last night and spotted nothing, but shall contact them to see what they say... Unless you've already gone down that road, Pierre?!

Yeah, gotta say, Barry, that's a pretty god interpretation! :up:

I'll post some pix of the carcass shortly...

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I was all over the Gotoh site last night and spotted nothing, but shall contact them to see what they say... Unless you've already gone down that road, Pierre?!


I had a look before also... Never contacted them for info have to say.... Kind of got discouraged after sending about 10 emails to Jam Industries here for Vantage info without 1 reply :x they are 5 minutes away from me, should just go over. :evil: Kick the door down and....

That's another story... :P

No, my logic for the Gotoh pups is since I beleive the Quest line was an extension of Vantage... and all those models appeared late 83 to 85 and sported Gotoh pups.... why not the same for Vantage. :blush:

Like I said, that is my reasoning so far and like I mentioned, the Vantage line used different hardware on the line compared to other Mats...so... these could very well be made by Jesper for all we know... :P

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PostPosted: Wed 11 Apr 2012 04:56 AM 
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If this is one of those models built for Vantage by Chushin I wouldn't expect to find MMK pickups. That MIGHT explain the Delta-Omega (DOH!) pickups and the mysterious letter-prefix serial number. Now I'm wondering if these pups were used on other guitars (e.g. Charvel) made by Chushin.


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