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PostPosted: Mon 01 Oct 2012 01:39 AM 
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Well, chaps.... Guess who's been playing around with not one, but two Vantage 12s.....

..... yep; that'd be me!! :D


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PostPosted: Mon 01 Oct 2012 12:50 PM 
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I will generously take the lesser one off your hands.

On a serious note I got curious about Hervey Bay and looked it up on google. Looks like a real paradise and the weather seems to be similar to San Diego where I live (maybe a tad warmer in winter). Most of the year I'm in shorts and flip flops. Good job!


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Staying at Don's again, John? :D
Envious? No. Got my VA912 and VS696-12, and my Ovation 1115 Pacemaker (not Mat made, sorry... but the only American made guitar that is still holding up amongst the japanese here) inbetween. Curious? YES! Of course! :wink:

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Nope; the Mitchells made the voyage to Hervey Bay!! And Don brought the 2 12s and the PE 1000 to show me, so all good especially as I'm surrounded by my own gear; guitar heaven!!

OK, a few words about the 12s..... bearing in mind I haven't played a 12 in anger for 15 years, these are purely subjective observations, and the sound clips which Don and I made of them back to back are necessarily very amateurish - more on those later!!

The VS696-12 is a translucent black finish and this example is in primo condition with very few marks including a broken switch tip. It has the usual Vantage 3 knob layout - 2V, 1T - and 2 switches under the control knobs, one for coil cut, and one for phase reverse, the control knobs are topped off with notched speed knobs. I measure a scale length of 62.6cm, or 24.64 inches and a width at the nut of 36.47mm and 52mm at the bridge. It has a carved top which adds to its allure a little!! :up:

Unplugged, it is very very resonant indeed, and sustains for a long time; plugged in, well, it is a tone monster; easily the equal of any 12 string electric I've ever played, which I freely admit is not many!! When the sound clips get posted you fellas can pick a favoured tone but mine was the bridge, coil cut which when would out a bit was just beautiful; I wound up sitting there for a long time just strumming on an open G chord....

The VA912 is, to my eye anyway, a much more beautiful guitar, with the light oak finish, brass and gold hardware - including that oh-so-elegant tailpiece - and the alternating tuners. Scale length is the same as the 696 as are the course widths. Unplugged, it is nowhere near as forceful sounding as the 696 and plugged in it is a much more discreet instrument; it simply does not have the "punch" of the 696, which was something of a surprise to me! This is undoubtedly a result of the pickups used; I'm prepared to bet that the 696 has MMK45s, and the 912 has MMK53s, or 61s; until the strings get changed and Don whips 'em out for a look, we ain't gonna know!

On ease of playing, I found the 912 an "easier" guitar to play - no, I can't explain it, either - but the 696 much, much more rewarding from a "sounds emitted" point of view; once again very subjective, but Don concurs, and as a non-player, his views are not coloured by all the garbage that guitarists carry about, so we may well be onto something between the pair of us!!

All of the above notwithstanding, I would have either of these two in a heartbeat and am quite thankful that Don both bought, and brought, them!! I get to play 'em without the expense of buying 'em!! If I was called on to pick just one, well, because I am, or rather was, primarily a player, I would plump for the 696 becasue of it's punch and sound separation; each string rings out and creates a most beautiful cacophony of sound with rich harmonic undertones!! The 912 has these qualities,too, but it does not have the punch...

Beautiful guitars, both, and I'm glad I do NOT have to make a choice!! :wink:

Thanks, Don!! :up: :up:

I know Don posted some shots in here someplace, but I felt the need to add more.. :D ....

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... the three notches in the saddles...

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... I struggled to show the translucent finish; this is the best I could do!

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...Go, Johnny, go!!


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PostPosted: Tue 02 Oct 2012 09:07 PM 
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On a serious note I got curious about Hervey Bay and looked it up on google. Looks like a real paradise and the weather seems to be similar to San Diego where I live (maybe a tad warmer in winter). Most of the year I'm in shorts and flip flops. Good job!


Yeah; it is a gorgeous spot, no question, especially where we are out at Dundowran Beach. I haven't worn a second layer of clothing since we've been here, even when the locals were whingeing about the "cold" in winter....


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Nope; the Mitchells made the voyage to Hervey Bay!! And Don brought the 2 12s and the PE 1000 to show me, so all good especially as I'm surrounded by my own gear; guitar heaven!!

OK, a few words about the 12s..... bearing in mind I haven't played a 12 in anger for 15 years, these are purely subjective observations, and the sound clips which Don and I made of them back to back are necessarily very amateurish - more on those later!!

The VS696-12 is a translucent black finish and this example is in primo condition with very few marks including a broken switch tip. It has the usual Vantage 3 knob layout - 2V, 1T - and 2 switches under the control knobs, one for coil cut, and one for phase reverse, the control knobs are topped off with notched speed knobs. I measure a scale length of 62.6cm, or 24.64 inches and a width at the nut of 36.47mm and 52mm at the bridge. It has a carved top which adds to its allure a little!! :up:

Unplugged, it is very very resonant indeed, and sustains for a long time; plugged in, well, it is a tone monster; easily the equal of any 12 string electric I've ever played, which I freely admit is not many!! When the sound clips get posted you fellas can pick a favoured tone but mine was the bridge, coil cut which when would out a bit was just beautiful; I wound up sitting there for a long time just strumming on an open G chord....

The VA912 is, to my eye anyway, a much more beautiful guitar, with the light oak finish, brass and gold hardware - including that oh-so-elegant tailpiece - and the alternating tuners. Scale length is the same as the 696 as are the course widths. Unplugged, it is nowhere near as forceful sounding as the 696 and plugged in it is a much more discreet instrument; it simply does not have the "punch" of the 696, which was something of a surprise to me! This is undoubtedly a result of the pickups used; I'm prepared to bet that the 696 has MMK45s, and the 912 has MMK53s, or 61s; until the strings get changed and Don whips 'em out for a look, we ain't gonna know!

On ease of playing, I found the 912 an "easier" guitar to play - no, I can't explain it, either - but the 696 much, much more rewarding from a "sounds emitted" point of view; once again very subjective, but Don concurs, and as a non-player, his views are not coloured by all the garbage that guitarists carry about, so we may well be onto something between the pair of us!!

All of the above notwithstanding, I would have either of these two in a heartbeat and am quite thankful that Don both bought, and brought, them!! I get to play 'em without the expense of buying 'em!! If I was called on to pick just one, well, because I am, or rather was, primarily a player, I would plump for the 696 becasue of it's punch and sound separation; each string rings out and creates a most beautiful cacophony of sound with rich harmonic undertones!! The 912 has these qualities,too, but it does not have the punch...

Beautiful guitars, both, and I'm glad I do NOT have to make a choice!! :wink:

Thanks, Don!! :up: :up:


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... I struggled to show the translucent finish; this is the best I could do!

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...Go, Johnny, go!!


Love those pics! Can I come visit?

I adore my 695-12 for all the reasons you give (mine's translucent blue, which is also tough to do justice to in photos). I need to fire it up for a video some day. I recall my 12 having even hotter pickups than MMK45s, which would explain the all-out roar when you're bashing away on twelve strings with overdrive dialed up (and the "both p'ups on single coil, in phase" being my fave clean setting).

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God, I love that VS!
The shirt? Not so much. :D

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I adore my 695-12 for all the reasons you give (mine's translucent blue, which is also tough to do justice to in photos).

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Love those pics! Can I come visit?


Yes. Make it sooner than later. I'm sure Don has also extended the invite.

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I adore my 695-12 for all the reasons you give (mine's translucent blue, which is also tough to do justice to in photos). I need to fire it up for a video some day. I recall my 12 having even hotter pickups than MMK45s, which would explain the all-out roar when you're bashing away on twelve strings with overdrive dialed up (and the "both p'ups on single coil, in phase" being my fave clean setting).


Glad we're not the only ones to "hear" it that way!! We recorded both guitars, on all settings with the tones and EQ on the amp set flat to A/B them; unsure what to do with the .mp3s now, however... :roll:

Also videoed them both, not under the most advantageous of conditions, I have to say, and I'm not sure I wish to inflict my singing on anyone else.... :lol:

Barry, you're just jealous cause you can't wear swanky shirts like this in the freezing cold of Ontario! :D


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